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1a.: Re: Mitleider Gardening question From: kelly_moore_72761
1b.: Re: Mitleider Gardening question From: Vicki Halverson
1c.: Re: Mitleider Gardening question From: Jeff Strong

2a.: Re: Tall tomato plants From: Ken
2b.: Re: Tall tomato plants From: Tom Joad
2c.: Re: Tall tomato plants From: Jeff Strong
2d.: Re: Tall tomato plants From: Dave Leland

3a.: Re: new guy From: Vicki Halverson
3b.: Re: new guy From: Jeff Strong
3c.: Re: new guy From: Elizabeth Hoover

4.: Iron in soils From: mstehelin

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1a.: Re: Mitleider Gardening question

Posted by: "kelly_moore_72761" kelly_moore_72761@yahoo.com kelly_moore_72761

Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:56 pm (PST)

Penny, It is definitely worth your time. I have changed my garden
over to the Mitleider Method and what I used to grow in a little over
1/2 Acre Garden, I can now grow the same amount of produce in less
than half of that. I used the other 1/4 acre that used to be Garden,
and I put in Semi Dwarf Fruit Trees & Blackberries. If you get a
chance to go to a seminar, please do it! I belong to the Miteider
Gardening Group and also bought the books & micro fertilizers. Good
Luck, Kelly Polar Bear NW Arkansas Zone 6b

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> I have an opportunity to take an evening class (just a one time,
three hour class) on the Mitleider gardening technigque. I've never
heard of it. Is it worth my time? Anyone use it?
>
> TTFN
> Penny
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1b.: Re: Mitleider Gardening question

Posted by: "Vicki Halverson" vickihalverson@yahoo.com vickihalverson

Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:57 pm (PST)

http://www.foodforeveryone.org/vegetable_gardening/20/what-is-the-mittleider-method
I found this link for you.
Vicki in West MI

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From: Penny Swann <pennybugs@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Organic_Gardening] Mitleider Gardening question
To: Organic_Gardening@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 3:29 PM

I have an opportunity to take an evening class (just a one time, three hour class) on the Mitleider gardening technigque. I've never heard of it. Is it worth my time? Anyone use it?

TTFN

Penny

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1c.: Re: Mitleider Gardening question

Posted by: "Jeff Strong" jeff_faithwalker@yahoo.com jeff_faithwalker

Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:58 pm (PST)

Penny,
All gardening classes if they can expand your knowledge of gardening should be explored. I just googled this guy and it looks interesting, so I would encourage you to take the class and then give us a report on what you learned and the +s and -s.
Probably not what you wanted to hear,huh?
jeff

--- On Sun, 2/22/09, Penny Swann <pennybugs@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Penny Swann <pennybugs@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Organic_Gardening] Mitleider Gardening question
To: Organic_Gardening@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 12:29 PM

I have an opportunity to take an evening class (just a one time, three hour class) on the Mitleider gardening technigque. I've never heard of it. Is it worth my time? Anyone use it?

TTFN

Penny

******

Teaching you about the very best in essential oils and how to create better health for yourself and your family. http://www.TracesEt c.com

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2a.: Re: Tall tomato plants

Posted by: "Ken" kenrogers@comcast.net kenrogers911

Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:56 pm (PST)

Sprays of Bt will help. Tomato hornworms are bright green and can get
very big like an index finger. They become poisonous by digesting the
tomato leaves. Not good to grind them up for a fertilizer as that can
also carry eggs that could hatch. Marigolds are one flower that can
help reduce the worms. Planted early and flowering the marigolds offer
a form of pyrethrin. Bt is organic and there are several types. Look
for the type that is bred/cultured for caterpillers and such. It
disrupts their digestive systems and they soon starve. Also, planting
tomatoes in the same area year after year will increase the risks of
disease and blight, and the soil loses a lot of calcium which can
cause blossom end rot on tomatoes. Because there are many tomato
types, there are also determinate and indeterminate tomato plants.
Some can reach more than 10 feet tall. I had a few of those here and
you can only let them grow so tall and then they need to have the tops
cut off.

--- In Organic_Gardening@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <cl_klavon@...> wrote:
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>
> I recently read a post that discussed the proper care of tomato plants.
> Starting a tomato plant in a pot is probably the best way, but for our
> family, we often skipped certain steps just to get the ball rolling and
> get things growing. My dad has a few wire cylindrical "cages"
> approximately 7 feet tall. Our total space is approximately 10' X 25'.
> My dad will plant them in the rows then put the cages over them.
> Because we get incredible heat in the summer, these plants grow very
> quickly in the sun, often surpassing the 7' mark. This method seems to
> work best in areas where the summers are particularly hot, such as in
> the San Joaquin Valley, Central California. Also, my father had
> similar, smaller cages, for the bell and waxed peppers. Fortunately,
> they can only grow so far - thank goodness. We have had many good
> seasons of juicy red tomatoes.
>
> One problem we have had with tomatoes are what are generally known as
> tomato worms. They are green and red caterpillars that seem to have a
> particular taste for tomatoes. They can wipe out a crop of tomatoes
> easily if not held in check. As a child, I was given the task of
> picking these nasty buggers off the plants, putting them in a bucket,
> then throwing them away. I was thinking of using some type of grinder
> to turn these pests into fertilizer, but what can I plant to help keep
> the tomato worms away from our crop in the first place?
>
> --Carol
>
>
>
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2b.: Re: Tall tomato plants

Posted by: "Tom Joad" tomjoad@westianet.net tomjoad82

Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:56 pm (PST)

> One problem we have had with tomatoes are what are generally known as
> tomato worms. They are green and red caterpillars that seem to have a
> particular taste for tomatoes. They can wipe out a crop of tomatoes
> easily if not held in check.

This is one of the situations where companion planting shines. you
may have heard that if you plant basil amongst your tomatoes it will
enhance the flavor of the tomatoes. another is that if you plant borage
amongst your tomatoes that it deters tomato horn worms. insects find
the plants that they like by smell, obviously the more you have of any
particular plant the stronger the smell becomes and the more insects are
attracted. The smell of the basil and the borage , some chives, onions
and garlic camoflage the smell and fewer are attracted Nature abhors
monoculture. very rarely will you find rows of any plant in nature.
If you do a web search on companion planting you will find some
rather extensive charts on what plants enhance each other and protect
each other from insects and other pests.

Probably the most well known companion planting is called the three
sisters. In Native American agriculture corn, climbing beans and
pumpkins or squash were planted together. the corn became the trellis
for the beans to climb on, the beans became the nitrogen fixer to feed
the corn, the squash or pumpkins became the living mulch that shaded out
weeds and helped to preserve soil moisture and kept the racoons and
other varmits that like corn at the milk stage away because those
varmits don't like to walk through the hairy stems of the squash or
pumpkin vines.

Another is to plant marigolds amongst the brassicas (cabbage,
broccoli, cauliflouer, brussel sprouts, turnips) to deter cabbage worms,
if the marigolds are well enough established in May when that little
white cabbage /corn moth is looking for a place to lay her eggs to
perfume the cabbage path and hide the oder of the brassicas

The problem may be one of perception, yes we are at war with the
insect world but we should be using guerilla techniques rather than a
chemical assault war. So plant all your flowers in amongst your
vegetables , mix it up , confuse the insect enemies and check out
companion planting, there are a few instances where some plants don't
get along very well together, but only a few

--
From the Desk of Tom in Farragut Iowa
~ It is impossible to learn something that you think you already know ~

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2c.: Re: Tall tomato plants

Posted by: "Jeff Strong" jeff_faithwalker@yahoo.com jeff_faithwalker

Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:57 pm (PST)

Carol,
I would go to a real Nursery, not home depot or Lowe's etc. and see if they have any wasps for sale. Also you can see if there is a pheromone sticky trap for the moths. Also see if there are any Deadly Night shade plants in the vicinity of the garden for tomatoes and potatoes are of that family and there might be a terrorist cell hanging out in the night shade and they are eyeballing your tomatoes for and attack. You can also use BTK and mix it with bran and create a ring around the base of the plants about 4 to 6 inch radius from the trunk and keep the lower branches up about 8 inches from the ground.
Now if all that fails you could use this recipe; liquefy 1 garlic bulb and one onion.Add 1 teaspoon of cayenne pepper and mix with a quart of water. Steep for one hour and strain through cheese cloth and then add 1 tablespoon of dish soap and mixed well. Spray plants liberally. If that fails then it is time for the big guns. Go to the store and purchase a package of Tops Tobacco and mix that with 1 quart of water into a pan and bring it to a boil and then remove it from the heat and allow it to steep for 30 minutes. Then strain and then when you are going to spray put 1/4 cup of this to a gallon of water and go hunting. If you use this be sure you thoroughly wash the produce and when you are done even though you will ware gloves wash your hands.
The Tobacco juice is a weapon of last resort. Kind of like Nuclear Bombs but organic.:)
So go get them thar pesky varmints.
jeff

--- On Sun, 2/22/09, Carol <cl_klavon@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Carol <cl_klavon@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Organic_Gardening] Tall tomato plants
To: Organic_Gardening@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 11:50 AM

I recently read a post that discussed the proper care of tomato plants.

Starting a tomato plant in a pot is probably the best way, but for our

family, we often skipped certain steps just to get the ball rolling and

get things growing. My dad has a few wire cylindrical "cages"

approximately 7 feet tall. Our total space is approximately 10' X 25'.

My dad will plant them in the rows then put the cages over them.

Because we get incredible heat in the summer, these plants grow very

quickly in the sun, often surpassing the 7' mark. This method seems to

work best in areas where the summers are particularly hot, such as in

the San Joaquin Valley, Central California. Also, my father had

similar, smaller cages, for the bell and waxed peppers. Fortunately,

they can only grow so far - thank goodness. We have had many good

seasons of juicy red tomatoes.

One problem we have had with tomatoes are what are generally known as

tomato worms. They are green and red caterpillars that seem to have a

particular taste for tomatoes. They can wipe out a crop of tomatoes

easily if not held in check. As a child, I was given the task of

picking these nasty buggers off the plants, putting them in a bucket,

then throwing them away. I was thinking of using some type of grinder

to turn these pests into fertilizer, but what can I plant to help keep

the tomato worms away from our crop in the first place?

--Carol

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2d.: Re: Tall tomato plants

Posted by: "Dave Leland" dleland@chartermi.net dleland_71

Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:58 pm (PST)

Carol,

I feed the ones I find to my chickens. They then turn them into
fertilizer... :)

Respectfully,

Dave Leland
DLELAND FARMS

Visit our family Website at: http://www.dleland.com/

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Subject: [Organic_Gardening] Tall tomato plants

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One problem we have had with tomatoes are what are generally known as tomato
worms. They are green and red caterpillars that seem to have a particular
taste for tomatoes. They can wipe out a crop of tomatoes easily if not held
in check. As a child, I was given the task of picking these nasty buggers
off the plants, putting them in a bucket, then throwing them away. I was
thinking of using some type of grinder to turn these pests into fertilizer,
but what can I plant to help keep the tomato worms away from our crop in the
first place?

--Carol

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3a.: Re: new guy

Posted by: "Vicki Halverson" vickihalverson@yahoo.com vickihalverson

Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:57 pm (PST)

Hey Eric,
Welcome to the group. Sure hope you will like it here. Lots of nice
and knowledgeable people.
Vicki in West MI

--- On Mon, 2/23/09, ndt2tech <ndt2tech@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: ndt2tech <ndt2tech@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Organic_Gardening] new guy
To: Organic_Gardening@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 8:32 AM

Just wanted to say hey, my name is Eric,my friends call me ERK. I'm

some what new to gardening, well on my own anyway, I've help friends

and family over the years. I've finally got a job and a place that

well allow me to spend ampble time to garden.I plan to start small.

I'm currently living in central TN area(Tullahoma) and was wondering if

it's best to buy veggie seeds from this region or does it really

matter, cause I've been seeing alot of seeds from other region being

sold here. 2) does it matter where to I buy my seeds(lowes, dollar

stores, wal mart ect..) Thanks

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3b.: Re: new guy

Posted by: "Jeff Strong" jeff_faithwalker@yahoo.com jeff_faithwalker

Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:57 pm (PST)

ERK,
Well there are those who will make a big deal as to where and what kind, but if you can find what you want at the dollar store and that fits your budget then go for it. The only thing you might want to make sure of is whether the seed is genetically modified and it should say so on the package. Other than that cheap is good!
jeff

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From: ndt2tech <ndt2tech@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Organic_Gardening] new guy
To: Organic_Gardening@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 5:31 AM

Just wanted to say hey, my name is Eric,my friends call me ERK. I'm

some what new to gardening, well on my own anyway, I've help friends

and family over the years. I've finally got a job and a place that

well allow me to spend ampble time to garden.I plan to start small.

I'm currently living in central TN area(Tullahoma) and was wondering if

it's best to buy veggie seeds from this region or does it really

matter, cause I've been seeing alot of seeds from other region being

sold here. 2) does it matter where to I buy my seeds(lowes, dollar

stores, wal mart ect..) Thanks

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3c.: Re: new guy

Posted by: "Elizabeth Hoover" ehoover53@yahoo.com ehoover53

Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:58 pm (PST)

Hi,Eric and welcome to the group. I live in Middle Tennessee and buy my seed from Bakers Creek Seed in Missouri. So far they've been great.---Elizabeth

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To: Organic_Gardening@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:31:19 AM
Subject: [Organic_Gardening] new guy

Just wanted to say hey, my name is Eric,my friends call me ERK. I'm
some what new to gardening, well on my own anyway, I've help friends
and family over the years. I've finally got a job and a place that
well allow me to spend ampble time to garden.I plan to start small.
I'm currently living in central TN area(Tullahoma) and was wondering if
it's best to buy veggie seeds from this region or does it really
matter, cause I've been seeing alot of seeds from other region being
sold here. 2) does it matter where to I buy my seeds(lowes, dollar
stores, wal mart ect..) Thanks

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4.: Iron in soils

Posted by: "mstehelin" mstehelin@yahoo.com mstehelin

Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:58 pm (PST)

I Just got back from Cambodia. The soil there is red. I here talk
about rich red soil. If I put rust in soil will that improve it?
M

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